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by tp33noscope » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:16 pm

As someone with mad skillz at finding scams let me tell you my thoughts on Crowd PR. I've read many posts here about Crowd PR from a while back, and I think this pr company is based in Peuto Rico (hence the PR domain). I don't think a pr company based there is accuratley able to serve the needs of crowdfunding projects. Crowd PR may not be based in the PR though, but according to their domain they are. I think someone had connected crowd pr to crowd pr ninja as well. If thats true then all hell may break loose for crowd pr, because crowd pr ninja is widely regarded as the worst crowdfunding pr agency on earth. Head up on this on bros.
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by BigBoJackson » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:20 am

I used to work in a "boiler room" where we would sell things by telemarketing so I know all about these kind of pushy tactics. If you've ever watched the movie called boiler room you'll know they are the same tactics. First off is that they get really aggressive in trying to contact you. They will go so far as to message your personal email, facebook message you, or even give you a call. Their whole aim is to get you to hire them and to do that they will do whatever it takes to engage you in a conversation.

The next thing they do is lay out what the return on investment from this kind of crap is. Beware beware beware, because generally there is no return on investment from marketing. I've tried and failed in life so many times that I know this for certain. People just pick what they pick and thats the way it is.

After they sell you on the "ROI" (abbreviation for return on investment) they then proceed to "feel you out" to see what they can get away with charging. I've read medium posts about people paying $50,000 for advertisements and not seeing any of that initial investment back. Holy smokes don't let that happen to you.

Most of what these firms get you to do is pay them directly for the ads instead of paying facebook directly. I think most of us here should be smart enough to see why they are trying to do that, but just in case you don't know why, its because they want all of the money for themselves and not your crowdfunding campaign.

If you say no to them, then they will promise more and more. Franky I don't recommend anyone go with a company unless they get a written assurance + contract guarantee of what your goals are. So if you want to get featured by 1000 websites then that must be guaranteed by contract. They are then bound to repay you if the end result does not match the contract guarantee.

The gurantee is most important above all else. If you are looking to raise over 50,000 then you must get a moneyback guarantee from the firm for it. Every bonafide company offers money back guarantees, remember that.

So if the firm is unable to offer you a guarantee then don't go with them. These firms can be so pusy in getting you to sign your name on the dotted line that you need to be on guard agains not being guaranteed.
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by p90xsmalls » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:29 am

Yes I remember that they somehow got ahold of my email address. I should have just known right then and there that it was not a respectable thing to do, but I am ashamed to say that I ended up actually taking a meeting with them. So foolish of me I know, but I wanted to make my crowdfunding campaign the best as possible.

My dream is to get featured on the new gadgets part of www.forbes.com. I see they do feature projects all the time, and I see that Crowd PR claimed to have gotten 3 clients in there. But I guess it was too good to be true. It would take some serious connections to actually get featured by them. Maybe one day I guess...

But yes it's alot like you said. Aggressive, and they even told me that success is not guaranteed. I think companies should be able to guarantee that. I passed on them and I am glad that I did. I'll take my chances and look for a firm who offers 100% guaranteed success.
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by lowkey » Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:18 am

I dont know if the OP trying to promote crowd pr or something. But its an awful much topics for no really good reason in multiple section of the forums dont ya think?

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by alexissmith » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:11 am

I believe that crowd pr is a no good scam. I have read 3 posts today of people who believe the same thing. Further more I see that crowd pr may actually be crowd pr guru in disguise. The community needs to be aware of any scams that is currently targeting our community.
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by galeunderwood » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:41 am

If they are really push then that is not a good sign for starts. Pushy indicated a lack of business and a lack of business indicates a lack of skill. A lack of skill indicates a scam. We all know that if you build it they will come is right for products, and the same applies to services. If you're good at it: they will come. So if they come to you, it just means that they are frankly not good at what they do.

Don't hire these ones. They may be part of an even bigger scam conspiracy with several agencies and domains as a front. Just don't do it. From what I have seen (see attached) they claim to be based in san francisco and I highly doubt that. Their website also looks like crap, which is another dead giveaway.

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by underdark_01 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:11 pm

I think if a crowdfunding service really believes in a project, they will agree to use their own money for ads and marketing, and make a deal on a percentage that they will take from the sales they produce on your Kickstarter. If they are asking for a big lump sum for results that aren't guaranteed, I don't think its great. And if you have the money to pay a big lump sum to unguaranteed results, maybe you don't need to be doing crowdfunding in the first place, and have enough money to fund the business yourself? Just a thought! :)
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by Shonin » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:01 pm

We worked with Crowd PR for our campaign (check signature).

Yeah, it seemed sketchy at first, but based on their referrals and seeing their logo on a few other campaigns. We were pressed for time mid campaign and had a decent marketing budget, so we deemed it an acceptable risk.

We were quite happy with the results. Now mind you, it's almost impossible to tell 100% if all the results came from their efforts, but we had no other PR in the field at the time except for one initial press release when we launched the campaign, and we're pretty sure that's not what did it. We also did not have review units at the time, which many tech outlets were asking for before they did any coverage.

Engadget and The Verge picked us up, and we believe this was because of Crowd PR. (http://www.crowd.pr - they have us on their portfolio page).

If anything I would suggest they make some changes to their branding and communication methods to get a bit more trust. I totally understand why people think it's sketchy, but they worked for us.

Also, for those of you folks talking about marketing companies working on a contingency, in our opinion that works under certain conditions, like if you don't much of a marketing budget of your own, and you have a super high margin product.

But a flat fee was MUCH more preferable for us in this case and in others (like The GadgetFlow). It's really not that simple.
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